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03 Sep 2017 20:29:26

I read your post further down analysing you transfer business and I agree up to a point. The press like to exaggerate the ways. I think United's window was good as we addressed the areas we needed to with proven EPL players, however I don't think it was as outstanding as some pf the press report.

The comeback to your point about the negativity being levelled at Chelsea is probably to do with Conte's public utterings and how the press have then added their own spin to that. I love your loyalty to your team but there were a bunch of players that Conte allegedly wanted that didn't arrive or went elsewhere. However, you have bought reasonably well (Drinkwater? ) and lost some players who were at the end of their careers or who you thought were surplus to requirements.

I also think Spurs's window was at best average whilst Arsenal's was a disaster. City are said to have had a great window yet their CBs continue to look dodgy and they didn't fix that. Same for Liverpool. Shiny new forwards whilst their defence looks shocking.

I think it's a 3 way fight between us, City, and you, Liverpool or Spurs 4th or 5th and I think Arsenal may even struggle to finish 6th this year.

Looking forward to a great season and some quality banter.

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03 Sep 2017 22:51:47
I respect your post and your analysis.

04 Sep 2017 01:28:05
If Tottenham switch back to a back three of Sanchez, Alderweireld and Vertonghen with Aurier and Rose as wing backs I personally think they will have the best defence in the league. Aurier and Rose are as complete as they come at attacking and defending. Moses and Alonso aren't IMO and disagree all you want that's just me not being biast. If they had Conte as manager I think they would win the league they just seem to lack that winning mentality. Kane and Alli are as good as they come at going forward.

04 Sep 2017 06:14:12
Yeah, Conte's comments obviously weren't going to help in that regard. Right on that. For Spurs, I think Aurier made their window decent. He's going to be ridiculously good for them and he's going to bomb down that right flank all game long. Terrific pick up. But like us they're still lacking depth in certain departments.

04 Sep 2017 06:25:34
Agreed AJH, the thing for me was spending over 150 million and not improving the squad. Yes we improved in defense but we went backwards in attack and midfield. l, and still don't have a left back if Alonso goes down. We will be okay but it could have been much much better.

04 Sep 2017 12:29:01
Rahman is back now too.

04 Sep 2017 13:31:19
A few comments to make on the above posts.
Baba will not be fit until Christmas.
Matic was average at best last year and truly awful the season before. I see both Drinkwater and Bakayoko contrubuting more than Matic
I do think that Morata has a lot to prove but I'm reminded how disruptive and ordinary Costa was for the second half of last season. So I'm pleased to have got Morata and retained Michy.
On our so called spending and I'm not sure of the exact figures but if you include our sales at the last window and this latest window, we have spent virtually zero and that's NOT counting any fee we receive for Costa.

04 Sep 2017 14:20:41
Matic may have been average last year but so was Drinkwater. Looking at the top teams I think we all have areas we would have liked to see improved but for whatever reason it didn't happen. I think it could be fascinating this year, City were most people's favourites last year and they weren't great, Liverpool started like a train and faded badly, it's great we have so many teams competing.

04 Sep 2017 20:05:38
That average player had more assists last season than any MU player last season including Pogba and Mata. Also had far better statistics than any of present Chelsea and MU midfielders. So you can be grateful to that SOB Jose Mourinho for doing amazing scouting job.

04 Sep 2017 22:16:11
Antibot, I've found cross referencing or comparing player statistics from different teams a total waist of time!
Matic may well play better for a Utd in the same way Kante played well for us last year.
Also Bakayoko and Drinkwater will have completely different stats with us than they had with their previous clubs.
You have to take into account so many variables, team shape, team style of play, standard of team mates . It makes statistics redundant.
You can compare player performance within a team and judge and compare there contribution to the team and result and that's why I stand by my statement they Matic was bang average last year and truly awful the season before!
Anyway, player performances are always a good debating point.

05 Sep 2017 08:59:06
Tom Blue(I believe that B is for blue).We probably wouldn't have this discussion if you watched MU this season. They look secure and confident.And that's what Chelsea has lost.If player doesn't play attractive football doesn't mean that player is average.That's why statistics exist so one can have more objective picture. Yes,Matic might have worse or better statistics at MU the same way that Drinkwater and Bakayoko can have better or worse statistics at Chelsea than at Leicester and Monaco.But it's more likely that Matic and Drinkwater will statistics closer to theirs previous clubs since both players have PL experience unlike young and promising Bakayoko.But to say that someone who had more assists than best assistants at MU and player is allegedly CDM by vocation average season doesn't stand.The player who was regular first choice CM in 2 midfield in the club that won PL with superiority can't be taken seriously.
I also believe in Conte's hard work approach.But experience is very very important in the squad.

05 Sep 2017 09:44:18
The "B" is for Baldwin not blue but a good guess!
The first full season under Jose's management Matic was outstanding. In my opinion the following season he was, along with rest of team (except Willian) awful and last season average!
You are correct statistics can be used for objective debate but no more than that.
An example would be and according to sky, Drinkwater has a better long ball success rate than Cesc. This stat doesn't take into account so many factors in renders it pointless! I
My point about Matic and his performance was NOT based on stats but my view using my eyes at virtually every home and away game.
He may well go on to be outstanding for Utd but given his performances over the last two seasons, in my opinion, he is no great loss and £40mil was a good money for Chelsea to receive.

05 Sep 2017 20:56:38
As you just said your opinion is subjective based on your perception. It is absolutely pointless to argue about subjective standing. People are allowed to think that earth is flat even nowdays. I will always defend your right to have different opinion to mine.

05 Sep 2017 21:36:28
And I will defend your right to have an opinion along with every orher football fans right to have an opinion!
Just for good orders sake. I never argue, I debate, inquire, ask questions, sometimes agree but I'm never patronising!

06 Sep 2017 08:33:52
I am really sorry if you had an impression that I've been patronising you or anyone else. That wasn't my intention. I am gnostic and I believe in arguments and facts and I am not relying on my impressions Sometimes things are different from the way we see them.

06 Sep 2017 11:28:50
Yep, sometimes things are different from the way we se them!



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