03 Nov 2025 07:37:46
A mate was telling me last night that EM has a win ratio of about 63% and has only lost 18 games out of 79. That seemed very good to me but I wouldn't know how it compares to our previous managers.
03 Nov 2025 09:15:58
I would imagine it's up there with most Tom.
I suppose it also comes down to what the other coaches squads cost.
03 Nov 2025 10:11:33
Bill, that would be to hard for me to work out.
I assume if you did that you would have to work out total squad valuation (bought and inherited) also what was the valuation of a player, let’s say, 20 years ago in comparison too today. It would end up being very subjective.
03 Nov 2025 10:18:47
The impressive thing about it Tom is the amount of home grown academy players Maresca uses as well.
Bill, I imagine the squads put together during the Roman era cost far far more than anything being spent today (inflation etc built in)
03 Nov 2025 10:24:12
Very interesting question.
EM oberall stat thus far does sound very good Tom but you would have to factor in a few things in EM favour like all those 12 out of 13 games we won against largely very weak and obscure sides in the Conference League . only most obscure perhaps being Noah. We only lost to Servette hardly a major name in European football as neither poerhapos is the best team we face ie Real Betis in the final. So that will have helped EM win ratio a fair bit in a competition we had never played in before whereas previously we were usually playing in the Champions League or Europa Cup.
What for me woud be a more telling stat but not one I know - perhaps someone does - is the win ratio of games won by EM v other CFC managers in matches against traditional other big teams in EPL namely Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, United. (yes we all [perhaps love to beat Spurs above all but they have not been a traditionally big EPL club and we have of course only lost 8 times to them in 67 EPL matches home and away (since start of the EPL in other words) .
Or oerhaps easier to calculate EM win ratio v other CFC managers over the years in EPL matches as a whole. It's possible to look up these stats. EM win rate in EPL thus far is 25 games out of 48 which by my calculation is 52%. Clearly better than Poch's rate of 18 wins out of 38 = only 47% but not yet vastly superior. But compare both these records with say Conte who in EPL games in charge of Chelsea won 51 out of 76 for a win rate of 67%. Or Jose's 140 wins out of 212 games achieving a win ration of 66% a percentage dragged down very very considerably of course by his disappointing last season in second stint as manager with us.
I think in the long run it will be win ratio in EPL - and Champions League - that will probably define EM as a success for us or not. And we all hope that he can push up EPL win rate towards that 66/ 67% rate! If so we will surely have had an EPL win in the process though probably not this season.
Having said that I think Maresca has shown in several important matches for us - like the CWC final and yesterday v Sours -that he can get tactics bang on at times. We all hopoe he is develpoing as a manager together with his young squad/ s. The question is whether he can get tactics more consistently right and perhaps especially against so called 'loer' opponents who park the bus in home games at the Bridge where his win ration - though haven't yet worked this out - is probably quite disappointing. It's almost as there may be some lack of focus and intensity by players if not manager re tactics in those games and that needs to change for the better. We certainly need the 100% focus from all in these games - not to lose it in oinjry time say! - at the Bridge as we had on Saturday v Spurs away or in the CWC final v PSG. And in fact for some time we have failed to make the Bridge a fortress of sucess. Mind you I doubt if a manager will ever make it the stronghold it was under Mourinho before his last season.
03 Nov 2025 10:44:46
JBS, I think that’s why stats can be so misleading. In the particular case we are not comparing like for like opposition as you say.
03 Nov 2025 11:26:54
Yes you're right Tom. And as the cynical saying goes it can be a matter of 'Lies, damn lies, and statistics'!
03 Nov 2025 12:51:42
Also, it was more of a given to beat the weaker teams years ago, we used to steamroller weaker teams with our squads being hugely backed by Roman and no financial restrictions, our latest window showed a profit under the new owners and the UEFA restrictions kicked in stopping the purchase of Xavi Simmons but in hindsight that looks like it was a blessing!
03 Nov 2025 13:11:32
Absolutely JBS, totally agree.
03 Nov 2025 16:11:17
It certainly looks like a blessing Greenaway however it's early days and some players take longer to settle than others.
About a week ago we would have said the same about Gittens and maybe we are still saying it about Garnacho.
03 Nov 2025 17:32:57
Good point Bill.
03 Nov 2025 17:43:46
bill, I saw promise in Gittens from day 1, he is very quick, can beat his man on the outside and also cut inside, he has very quick feet and is strong, his confidence will come with more games and I think he will be a real asset on that left side. Garnacho I'm not sure about and was not needed and like others have said was a strange buy given his piss poor attitude and will likely fall out with Maresca who won't take bad attitude as we have already seen.
Xavi Simmons is a number 10 and we have Palmer, Estevao and even Enzo who can play that position so I'm sure we dodged a bullet not picking him up. Time will tell though.