23 May 2024 09:38:32
All this talk about appointing a young manager and giving an example of Arteta assumes - sutrely wrongly given CFC track record - that they would be given the same amount of time to prove themselves and get the team up to challenging for the EPL again as Arteta wass given at SAFC. Leave aside that Artyeta was also an understudy for maestro Pep at City plus had played for AFC and was a pretty decent player at that.
If we appoint one of these relatively inexperienced players and the team struggles how patient do you think our owners are likely to be? As patient as they were with Potter? How patient will us fans be given we know that Poch had improved the players, they wanted him to stay, and he had got us pretty close to Top 4 with high expectations he would get us there next season? And if Conor G is sold this summer (to Sours?! ) perhaps along with TC?
I have to assume the Sporting Directors and owners had a plan B if Poch left - and many are saying it was over playing style and/ or because he wanted to keep CG - band perhaps it is Amorim, I don't know. We can only pray so and that whatever it is it can work.
23 May 2024 10:30:47
JBS, we have seen managers with premiership experience appointed by the club not reaching the fan or owner’s expectations. I think we just have to except that regardless of who our next manager is, if he isn’t deemed to be successful he will be sacked and that’s the same at most clubs.
I’m probably wide of the mark but I wonder if Arteta had been manager of Arsenal outside of the pandemic with no home fans in the stadiums if he would have got more stick from fans. We will never know I guess.
23 May 2024 11:09:43
Good point about Arteta possibly given additional time cos of epidemic plus bare stadiums, of course that didn't save Lamps from being sacked at CFC.
23 May 2024 11:20:41
JBS, good point about Lamps and his previous season management success under difficult circumstances didn’t carry much away with our previous owners.
It would appear that our new owners are setting out expectations in line with our previous owner. Failure (whatever that means) is not exceptable.
23 May 2024 11:30:40
Mind you Lamps was only appointed as interim manager so I suppose he wasn't sacked just not made less interim!
23 May 2024 11:53:43
You want as near to nailed on top 4? Unai Emery.
23 May 2024 12:39:05
Indeed JBS, the other name often brought up is Xabi Alonso, and trying to find the Chelsea version.
Alonso's immense success this season was, similarly to Chelsea, built upon a foundation of young players. However last summer Leverkusen also brought in Xhaka, Hofmann, Iglesias and Grimaldo to give them steel and experience. Which is exactly what, according to media reports, what our ownership are unwilling to do.
23 May 2024 13:00:19
RBD, we did have Silva, Chilly, James Sterling, Sanchez, Caicedo, Cucarella and Chalaboa all of whom are Premiership experienced.
The idea that we have got a complete squad of untested premiership players isn’t accurate.
The “steel” and maybe leaders debate would be interesting.
23 May 2024 13:07:36
Good points RBD and Unai Emery would be a v good option if available though presumably isn't.
23 May 2024 17:29:11
What is actually going on in this “project” . Clearlake have spent over a billion quid. They’ve now bumped the coach after losing 1 from 9 and landing European football. Their latest raid in the market is not to sign a CF but to splash £27m on a diminutive Brazilian schoolboy who plays winger, having blooded Madueke and Murdyke, they are about to sell the club captain and the best CB at the club, and possibly appoint the manager from Ipswich Town or Brentford!
23 May 2024 17:53:52
The club spend a nett £600m ish building a very young and exciting squad.
They reach a mutual agreement to part ways with a manager.
They sign a very exciting young Brazilian for the future.
The club captain is James.
Whoever our next manager is he had better get the beat out of our talented squad but he will my support.
Maybe that’s what is going on with our new owners.
23 May 2024 20:09:46
London Scot, they ‘dumped’ a manager who didn’t want to stay. They might sell a player who hasn’t signed a contract extension and they don’t want to lose them for free. They might also sell a CB who wants guaranteed starts, there’s only about 5-6 players in the world who I’d guarantee starts too. The owners have bought the ‘next Messi’ for a bargain £27m.
23 May 2024 18:16:47
Why didn’t they do this before last season started.
23 May 2024 20:48:13
BLUEBOY, just maybe certain players were not available last year.
Other than that I’m not sure what your question refers too.
23 May 2024 21:25:24
The question is why the manager felt he couldn't stay.
23 May 2024 22:09:43
Or, maybe the question is why the club didn’t think he should stay.
24 May 2024 08:55:17
Fuser, good points. We don’t know the circumstances but it is clear that the owners and Poch were at odds with each other as to how the club would move forward next season. That is a situation that couldn’t continue therefore it was inevitable that Poch had to leave. We have to move on.