25 Jan 2024 08:08:33
Are we having a collaboration or collection or sponsor with " Jordan " ( Nike ) ? They ended there partnership with psg and rumours are they want a London club?
25 Jan 2024 09:22:35
Matt, rumours are it’s us or the spuds.
If I were a betting man and I am, I think it will be us.
25 Jan 2024 18:49:48
Tom, I understand they would prefer us but only if we get Champions League.
25 Jan 2024 19:21:54
would be a very lucrative deal for the club im sure.
25 Jan 2024 19:30:53
Lets be honest that is not going to happen this season.
25 Jan 2024 19:46:35
I’m not sure why it wouldn’t happen this season and I can’t believe believe that any of there would be just built upon this season. I think it will a deal done with the club that has the best vision an a management that listens to it’s sponsors needs.
25 Jan 2024 21:04:11
Tom
It pains me to say it but Spurs have a better stadium, are better run financially, are now above us on revenue earnt and on the playing field, play as a team where every player knows what's needed.
If I was investing at this point in time, I know where my money would go.
25 Jan 2024 21:38:49
Bill, I haven’t got a clue what criteria “jordan” will use to decide a future partner. Apparently there preferred club will be based in London.
Obviously the spuds have a better ground. I would dispute they are better managed.
I personally don’t believe a brand like “Jordan” look at a one season club on field performance. I would think it would be based on a clubs global profile and its vision for the future. We also have a twenty year history of winning trophies, a fantastic youth set up, along with a ridiculously successful womens team. I think our academy and women’s team rich history give us a massive advantage, as I’m sure that the “Jordan” (Nike) brand see that group as being entities they want to be associated with.
We also owners who are trying there best to demonstrate they want that winning attitude to continue.
Looking at it from the outside I would disappointed that a CFC couldn’t sell our club and its achievements over any other London based club.
26 Jan 2024 09:27:39
I suppose tine will tell.
26 Jan 2024 11:14:56
Chelsea do have the last decade on spurs that gives them the edge but take of the blue tinted glasses Tom. Spurs are absolutely better run than us at this point in time. Unequivocally.
26 Jan 2024 13:03:44
Standard, why do insist on making statements as if they are” fact”when it’s just your opinion and clearly people are entitled to a different opinion. Using the word “unequivocally” doesn’t make it a fact.
You have now said that both Liverpool and Spurs are better “managed” than Chelsea. Give me some facts to support that view and please not “only” the ins and outs of players. For your guide there is more to management than transfers.
26 Jan 2024 15:37:51
Bill, the last time I looked and I admit that was about a year ago the largest premiership team debt was Spurs. I think it was over £850m.
Probably because of the takeover of our club we were carrying no debt. It was reported that two other premiership clubs carried no debt and one other club in Europe.
Of cousre those reports may well have been incorrect or just inaccurate.
26 Jan 2024 16:08:37
Bill, I should have added, I’m definitely not saying debt is a bad thing or a sign that a club is poorly managed.
I’m not in a position to make any such judgement.
26 Jan 2024 16:56:45
Companies/ Brands won’t spend millions on sponsorship deals unless they get exposure at the highest level: for football that is the Champions League.
26 Jan 2024 17:28:22
My guess would be a brand/ sponsor will look at the performances of any clubs first team over a period of years. As I already said my guess is they will look at our current global brand that is based on a 20 year winning history along with an assessment of potential future success.
As I’ve also said, the WHOLE club will be evaluated by any brand/ sponsor. That will obviously include the academy and women’s team.
Any decent sales salesmen ought to be able to put a positive spin on our clubs winning history and future.
26 Jan 2024 19:26:21
Tom, yes you’ve already made that point.
26 Jan 2024 20:43:35
Teams who haven’t qualified for the Champions league for many seasons over the last twenty plays years seemed to have done ok picking up brands/ sponsors for large fees.
I seem to remember a poster say that we have qualified for the champions league 17 times in the last 25 years. I think he also said that was more than any other premiership club. We have won more trophies than any other English club in the last twenty years. I also think the poster mentioned that spurs had only qualified for the Champs league 7 times and won the league cup 15 yeaes ago. I think that’s there only trophy in twenty plus years.
If the choice is just for a London team I would be very disappointed if it wasn’t us.
26 Jan 2024 23:06:55
Tom, you always challenge posters to provide evidence for their assertions. Who are these other teams who have not qualified for CL who have done OK? What is OK? You have repeated yourself: so I will too. Not qualifying for the CL has consequences; loss of prestige; circa £70 million loss of revenue; competiveness for sponsorship deals and the ability to attract players. As I said not qualifying for one season is not a disaster but if it becomes a habit…….
26 Jan 2024 23:34:48
Jimbo, yes you are poster repeating yourself. Of course not qualifying has consequences and that applies to all clubs not just Chelsea. The comparisons was with Spurs and as far as I know they didn’t qualify for the Champions league last season and haven’t so far this season.
Utd didn’t qualify for Champions League but got and retained sponsors/ brands.
Liverpool, the same.
Arsenal, the same,
The Spuds, the same.
It was YOU that used the phrase “only if we get Champions League”.
27 Jan 2024 03:41:19
Sorry Tom, do I really need to explain it. liverpoil and spurs have lower wage bills than us and have spent less money, and earn more money than us. I'll compare here over the last 5 years
Chelsea
Net spend : 673 Million pounds for 4th, 4th, 3rd, 12th and 9th (current)
Wage expenditure : 128m
Revenue 504m
Spurs
Net spend : 461 million pounds for 6th, 7th, 4th, 8th and 5th (current)
Wage expenditure : 91m
Revenue 541m
Liverpool
Net Spend : 218 million pounds for Champions, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 1st (current)
Wage expenditure : 134m
Revenue : 582m
We have history on our side with trophies but it's also expected you win more trophies if you spend more money. Objectively, spurs and Liverpool at this point in time are better run than us. I can't believe that's even up for debate.
27 Jan 2024 08:47:53
Standard. I can’t believe you think it’s not up for debate. Maybe a red and white tinted glasses thing!
I appreciate the figures you have produced to support your argument but in the same way I said substantial debt isn’t a bad thing or that a club is poorly managed, I assumed the same would apply to other monetary metrics.
As you correctly say in my opinion there is an expectation that if you spend more you should win more. If that is the case then the simple way to judge success (not management) would be to divide nett spend over a period of time against trophies won.
You have chosen to use a five year period for your financial comparative. Obviously Spurs have won nothing, I’m not sure but I think Liverpool have won three pots and we I think have won three.
Of course we could use the same equation, nett spend per trophy over a twenty year period. I seem to remember reading we have won 23 trophies over that period I think Liverpool was 11 and the Spuds 1.
For balance it could be argued that both the scousers and spuds have had significant spends other than players. The spuds obviously built a fantastic new stadium and the scousers spent a significant amount on there training ground plus had a huge stadium upgrade. Those choices don’t definitively mean they are better managed.
I have tried to make my point as balanced as I can. I’m not sure there is an accurate way of measuring success. Maybe it is nett spend for every trophy won? While over the last twenty years that would probably support the Chelsea owners having been good managers, I think that is far to simplistic but from a supporter’s perspective I haven’t seen a better way of measuring management.
“I can’t believe that's even up for debate”.
27 Jan 2024 12:54:06
Tom, over tge last 20, we've been better managed. However, under the new owners, we've absolutely been worse managed. That's what I'm stating is crazy to even debate. Would you really disagree with that? I think I'd struggle to find many who do.
27 Jan 2024 13:39:28
You may think it’s “crazy even to debate” as if your opinion is in some way correct or superior to other opinions but I would suggest your use of dismissive language does not make you correct. In fact it just makes you sound condescending.
If you are so DESPERATE to comare our current owners to clubs like Liverpool then do it factually.
How many years did it take the current owners of Liverpool to win a trophy? I’m only guessing but as they always seemed to be in the depths of gloom I would think it was probably several years.
I’m not sure the current owners of Spurs have EVER won a trophy as I’m not sure who the owner was 15 years ago but in your eyes they are better managed.
I’m sure there is some numerate clever clog poster that can tell us why each trophy has cost each club over the last twenty years. As I’ve stated that may well be a reasonable way of measuring successful management for fans but it wouldn’t match my personal criteria. There are lots of things going on at clubs besides the success or failure of any first team. They all need to tested and measured before any conclusion can be made about a management team.
FGS try and be a bit balanced and if you are determined to make comparisons then compare like for like.
Our new owners bought a club that in my opinion was overdue a complete overhaul. I personally think they have tried to do to much to quickly but that’s a totally different issue. That was roughly 18 months ago and you have already written them off. Truly amazing!
27 Jan 2024 16:57:06
I seem to remember that FSG had the fans on their backs during the early period of their tenure.
I beleive like Tom, we needed a complete overhaul and a number of high quality youngsters have been brought in and I believe we will have a top quality team for a number of years to come
I think where it went wrong was not bringing in an experienced ST and CB.
Going forward once we get the ST and CB needed, there will only be minor tweaking.
27 Jan 2024 17:19:50
Bill, I do seem to remember that early period of ownership wasn’t full of joy. I have said I’m not sure how long it was before they won a trophy under there management/ ownership.
I repeat, I don’t think the spuds management / ownerhip have ever won a trophy. ?
We all got spoilt when Roman took over and it was an instant success but that is rare.
27 Jan 2024 23:08:26
Read again Tom. Context is hard to achieve through text but you seem to misunderstand entirely every single time.
Currently, we're worse managed and I don't really see how that's up for debate. We've spent a billion pounds and we're in 8th. We sacked a champions league winning coach by paying him out, spent 20 million to buy potter from Brighton, sacked him and paid him out too. Brought in lampard and finished 12th. Then, we failed to sign a striker (the market is hard so that's understandable), missed out on a player who'd be a gamechanger (rice) and were now in 9th.
That's not writing them off, that's not supporting another team or whatever, that's jusy being honest. Good news is they clearly care and I do believe they will turn it around as long as they learn from there numerous mistakes.
In that time, spurs have risen above us in revenue and in stature, though almost certainly only temporarily.
Liverpoil have been the second greatest premier league team ever.
I'm not talking about 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago, I'm talking about now. And if your really trying to say we've been better managed I think you need to sit back and think about it mate. No problem being a mega fan but come on your irrationality is a bit too out there lol.
27 Jan 2024 23:16:48
Tom
I agree Spurs have only won one trophy and that was against us.
I'm looking at all aspects, and I think all round, they are a stable club, that's not to say we won't be in a year or two so it will depend when Nike/ Jordan want to invest.
28 Jan 2024 06:49:23
Standard, its no me who has used the term “unequivocally” or the phrase “you can’t believe it up for debate” or “your just being honest” or “crazy even to debate” or “irrationally”.
28 Jan 2024 07:50:47
I’m sorry I sent that post a bit early.
Apparently Liverpool are now “the second best team EVER. ” Plus Spurs have now risen above us in “stature. ”
Spurs are at this moment in time collecting more revenue than us They have only won a single trophy in over twenty years, didn’t qualify for Europe last season but now have more “stature” than us? That statement seems bizarre to me.
While your never ending references to a player who now plays for the gooners is boorish, it’s also inaccurate to say “we missed out on him, ” as far as I know we never bid for him. Liverpool did miss out on Lavia and Caicedo because supposedly they did for them two players.
As far as signing goal scorer is concerned, I truly believe the club thought they had signed at least one, he unfortunately has been injured. Should they spent more and bought another one? With hindsight, yes.
The current owners of Liverpool didn’t get there first team performing or winning trophies for several seasons. The current spuds management I don’t think have ever won anything.
Also, your total focus on judging the qualities of a management team is on the first team. There is more to managing a club than the performance is a men’s first team. On all other performance metrics I would suggest we are superior to Spurs or Liverpool.
Management in my opinion, should be judged over a period of time. Have our current owners made mistakes, yes. The management of most clubs make mistakes so nothing unusual there.
Using your narrow argument if we finish (unlikely) above the spuds our management should the quality as superior to there’s. That conclusion would in my opinion would also be wrong.
Fans generally judge a team/ club solely on its first team performance and the trophies it has won and while I “personally” think that measurement is to narrow it’s just the way it is. On that measurement we have been the most successfully managed club for years.
Your dislike for our current management is just your opinion. I think you dislike is based on far to short a time and only considers the men’s first team performance at a small moment in time.
Your dismissal of my argument as being “blue tinted” or “irrational” or because I’m a “mega” fan is disappointing but not surprising as you think the subject is “not for debate. ”
In the same way I judge a player over time I will judge our new owners over time.
28 Jan 2024 08:00:56
Bill, as far as I know it’s just a rumour that Jordan/ Nike are choosing between us and the spuds.
This is probably just me but I would be astonished if they make a decision based on a small period of time.
I would think this but I do think we have a far stronger brand history and global stature than Spurs.
My guess would be that any successful bidder will have to sell a vision of its entire club. This will inlude the past, present and future. I think we have a strong product to sell and I promise that is just my business head speaking.
28 Jan 2024 11:28:30
Tom
As always there are several excellent and accurate points you make.
Like you I'm sure that in a season or two, we will be a force to be reckoned with again indeed we are already putting a consistent run together which would be much better with an experienced striker and CB.
I take your point that it was thought that we had already signed one however even last season he was injured for most of that one in Germany.
I still can't get my head round why we as a club have so many long term injuries.
28 Jan 2024 11:54:12
Bill, Our ongoing injury tally is a concern but it’s been a season that a lot of clubs have suffered with what seems like a long lists of injuries.
I do wonder if there should be a review/ investigation on the types of injuries, when in the season the majority of injuries occur and how many games/ mins a player is being asked to play.
28 Jan 2024 14:22:13
It would be interesting at the end of the season if there will be a list of injuries each team had including more than one injury to players ie James Gusto etc.