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29 Dec 2020 20:18:24
In Klopps 2nd season if I remember correctly about mid-season Liverpool got beat by the likes of Swansea, Southampton and Hull. They finished 4th that season having previously under Klopp finishing 8th

Liverpool stood by there manager.

{Ed047's Note - because he was a proven winner, not an unproven Championship manager

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29 Dec 2020 20:35:19
Tom why the comparison to klopp he was a very successful manager b4 he went to Liverpool with a shocking squad and no youth to rely on
He basically built that team from scratch
He is light years ahead of Lampard before he even joined Liverpool.

29 Dec 2020 20:39:31
We got into top 4 because Leicester were absolutely crap and blew it after lockdown not our wonderful barnstorming performances remember sheff utd typical lampard.

29 Dec 2020 20:41:53
Tom you’re fighting a losing battie give it up. It took you look enough to realise the likes of Jorginho and Kepa were rubbish.

29 Dec 2020 20:31:55
That’s a perfect response Ed and that’s why Lamps finishing 4th in his first season with a crap squad is much better than the “proven winners” first season in charge of Liverpool finishing 8th.

{Ed001's Note - crap squad? Chelsea's squad was not just better than the one Klopp inherited, but there were so many players you could have had 3 full squads of Premier League quality players. Liverpool were a mess of players.}

29 Dec 2020 20:53:27
This proven manager argument is irrelevant.

Zidane was a proven manager before winning 3 UCLs with RM? Or Pep before winning everything with Barcelona?

The reality is that every league is different and you can't say because a manager is good in for example Bundesliga he would also be great in PL.

29 Dec 2020 20:58:21
Ed you’re putting Tom in his rightful place and I love it 👍🏻😂.

29 Dec 2020 21:12:44
Yes Ashk, the proven manager argument is slightly irrelevant.

29 Dec 2020 21:16:09
Graham/ Frank, as you must remember I always say I will pass judgement on players at the end of a season and in the case of Jorginho and Kepa I did just that.

I will always offer constructive criticism during a season on players and managers alike.

29 Dec 2020 21:19:46
So gola, was it Lamps fault that Leicester bottled it? No, we got what we deserved last season.

29 Dec 2020 21:10:50
I beg to differ Ed and the Klopp argument was put up Graham in a previous post. I’m just saying the proven winners first season was not as good as Lamps the Championship manager.

{Ed001's Note - yes, but Lampard took over a better team in a better place and had a full season. Klopp took over a team in October that was sinking like a stone and looking like it was heading for a relegation battle. I know you are biased, but this is ridiculous. Roman Abramovich has made sure you have always had a fantastic squad, stop making up stuff to suit your agenda, as all you are doing is denigrating the fantastic work the rest of the club had done prior to Lampard's arrival.}

29 Dec 2020 21:24:42
I did also respond respectfully, to Eds comments as well.

29 Dec 2020 21:24:56
If I recall correctly, Klopp joined Liverpool close to November so he didn't have a pre-season and inherited a team that was actually in a mess almost 3 months after the season had started. But you could see every bit of his blueprint and even Alex Ferguson made the famous quote that 'he's worried about liverpool because of Klopp'. In hindsight how right was he?

But I'll be honest Klopp was a class manager prior to Liverpool, what he did at Mainz and especially Dortmund was phenomenal. let's be honest, TAA, Robertson, Henderson, Mane, Salah etc are all products of Klopp. I personally won't compare Lampard to Klopp and use the same comparison because one is proven and the other is learning everyday. With Klopp you know what you are getting, same could be said with Pep, Jose etc. Liverpool's rise under klopp has been phenomenal, 8th, 4th (runner up UCL), 2nd (Winner UCL), 1st.

As for Lampard, his still learning his trade and a comparison to klopp at this stage is unfair at this stage. One is far too experienced in management. Also to use the same trajectory that Klopp was given time is unfair based on experience. Klopps seen a hell of a lot of football from the touchline.

29 Dec 2020 21:27:36
If I’m quite right Ed we had a 50million pound player in Pulisic and 40 odd million Kovacic joining our team at the start of Franks first season? A massively better squad than what Klopp had in his first season. If I remember Klopps front three first year was Borini, Balotelli and Ricky Lambert. Klopp is unbelievable as a manager. Putting Frank in the same sentence managerial wise just should not be allowed.

{Ed001's Note - I don't really see the point in comparing them to be honest. Lampard is a new manager who has a lot to prove. The only issue is whether you believe he can improve enough to be the right choice or think he is not the right man. I am not sure myself, but think it is too early to judge him, but he certainly has the tools available to him given him by a club that has an exceptional recruitment team and youth academy.

The big issue has been how poor the club has been over the years at bringing through the youngster bought and brought through the academy into the first team. Lampard has been the first to really try and integrate them and that for me should be enough to give him more time. He is clearly looking longer term with his choices and that should be what you want, rather than having to bring in a new manager every couple of seasons. If you don't give someone time to build, then you will never get the full benefit of the youngsters.}

29 Dec 2020 21:37:03
I will always respect the work Roman has done for the clu and have done otherwise.

The Klopp debate and comparison (not started by me) I find very interesting and as I think it is a valid comparison I will on occasion use it.

Let’s see if it takes Lamps five years to win a Premiership.

{Ed001's Note - well then stop disrespecting it to defend Lampard. He doesn't need the facts twisted. He clearly had a very good squad to use, one which had not long before won the Premier League under Sarri.}

29 Dec 2020 21:37:38
Shak as always you are spot on mate. Tom is just biased and wants Lampard to succeed but because he doesn’t like everyone else’s answer he’s reverting to name calling.

All Chelsea fans want Lampard to succeed but fact of the matter is he’s just not good enough. Maybe he should go to another lower team for a few years and come back to Chelsea once he’s had some experience. The job was too soon for him. Chelsea are a massive club who want to be a European powerhouse again you cannot have an inexperienced manager learning on the job when he’s crushing our big signings confidence.

29 Dec 2020 21:38:29
Ed your right RA has made sure we have always had a fantastic squad and we shouldn't denigrate the fantastic work the rest of the club had done prior to Lampard's arrival.

29 Dec 2020 21:42:57
100% agree with your latest post Ed.

For gods sake, let’s just stop this never ending manager merry go round.

{Ed001's Note - let's face it, Roman won't be shy in making the change if he feels it is needed anyway!}

29 Dec 2020 21:52:10
Graham, of course I’m biased and I am, as always, stating my opinion and enjoying it.

I love a good debate.

29 Dec 2020 21:49:18
Ed I think you mean Conte. Frank took over from Sarri who didn’t win the Premiership but did win the UEFA cup.

I didn’t want Sarri sacked either.

{Ed001's Note - I actually meant the Europa League not the Premier League, that was the error, but I guess it wasn't that long ago that Conte won the Prem, thinking about it.

I do think the constant turnover of managers is the reason you are struggling a bit now (comparatively as I would hardly call 6th struggling normally!) as none of them have had the job security to integrate youth players. The fact that Lampard does so makes me think he feels that he will get time.}

29 Dec 2020 21:55:45
I’ve said that a hundred times Ed.

29 Dec 2020 21:59:30
Just a point of clarification Shak I think the five year Klopp record is 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd and then Champions. He did win win the champions league in their as well. I’m also not sure if he won a domestic cup?

I may well be wrong but as always I stand to be corrected.

{Ed001's Note - no domestic cups.}

29 Dec 2020 22:05:21
Spot on Ed and I hope so.

I also hope that all the posters read your views carefully.

Thanks for you views.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome Tom. I understand why people are frustrated with him, and they might very well turn out to be right all along, but, at some point, a manager has to be given time to integrate youngsters or you will lose them all. After a while the parents of the next age group will be looking and not seeing a way in for their kids and take them elsewhere. With the upcoming, expected changes to homegrown rules to mean clubs will have to bring more through, now seems as good a time as any to give someone time.}

29 Dec 2020 22:28:40
I agree Ed.

I want Rice but does that stop Ampadus progress.

I want Alaba but does block the way for the lad at Swansea.

I also rate IM at Charlton but again if we signed a player like Alaba would it stop his progress.

Same with CG at Weat Brom. It’s not easy.

{Ed001's Note - it is a balancing act, but the club will gradually have to introduce more home grown players and club developed ones in future, so it will be taken out of the manager's hands in large part.}

29 Dec 2020 22:55:10
Will be interesting Ed.

29 Dec 2020 23:08:48
Lol lamps is better than klippety is like saying moyes is better than Ferguson or bassestt is better than clough or maybe Atkinson is better than Busby or Hodgson is better than dalglish.
Avb is better than Jose

Wake up Spencer is not the guy to take us forward
Name 1 Manager in history who has been very ordinary in first 2 seasons
Bought loads of players that hasn't worked in 18 months and then turned it around to be successful.

29 Dec 2020 23:18:41
Klopp finished 8 first season
Sheff utd finished 9th in there first season says it all tomb.

29 Dec 2020 23:28:00
Tom if you could choose between heir Frank and heir klopp now who would you choose and be honest.

29 Dec 2020 23:09:46
Thanks Tom for correcting the error there.

I think there's always an extra passion for us fans wanting Frank to succeed because he is Chelsea through and through. It hurts seeing Chelsea lose and even more when its Frank. We all know Frank is super intelligent and will know where his making mistakes. I liked his direction vs Villa albeit the results. Also Ed1, as always you have put in some great stuff there mate- class.

{Ed001's Note - thanks Shak.}

30 Dec 2020 06:58:37
Thanks Ed for putting Tom in his proper place, a very biased fan who believe any differing opinions are not constructive criticism. Tom is usually the last to give up on a player or coach even when it's obvious to everyone else just to claim he knows and support the club more than others.
As for klop and lampard comparison, typical of his blind airport/ argument. There has never been a time klop had a better squad than Lampard. Just the management style, after cherry picking players of choice around the Europe Frank don't still know how use them. Many coaches would look at that squad and shake their heads in jealousy.
I complained about hiring Frank because it's born out of sentiments rather than on merit. For all Lampard status at the club, it's too soon to coach Chelsea at this moment. We're a club that always aspire to compete for everything and always bring qualities to ensure that. So any coach will be judged sooner than later. Lampard may need more than 4 season to come good but unfortunately Chelsea can't wait that long. RA is not known to have Tom's bias and will act when he is done and that might be sooner than the Tom's realize it. The job is bigger than Frank at the moment. His continued experiment will ruin the players confidence which is more expensive than letting Frank go.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think that's fair on Tom. He is very biased but that is why he is the last to give up, because he is always looking on the bright side as far as the club is concerned. It is not about claiming to be a better or more knowledgeable fan, I don't think, I think it is just that he always expects it to work out if time is given. He comes from a different era, when fans just supported and left the club to their own devices. So it must be difficult for him to ever criticise anything about the club. He just has a different, more long term, way of looking at things than the rest of you.}

30 Dec 2020 08:25:13
Thank you Ed for trying to set the record straight.

I am getting on but I’ve always been the type of person who defends/ supports others. That’s what the word supporter means to me.

{Ed001's Note - that's ok mate, I understand where you are coming from, you come from a different era. It is not better or worse, just a different culture of support.}

30 Dec 2020 08:26:40
Thanks for reply.

30 Dec 2020 08:39:18
Thanks for your reply ilo and welcome to the debate.

I suggest you you read al if Ed01s comments.

I have said my times that Roman is the man who will make the decision about Lamps a d he has never been slow at pulling the trigger.

The Klopp Lamps comparison wasn’t started by me but I tried in an obviously clumsy way, to say Klopp finished 8th in his first season Lamps finished 4th.

I also pointed out that it Klopp 5 years to win the Premiership.

Klopp is obviously the better manager but we will all see what happens in the future.

Lastly, like you, I didn’t want Lamps appointed, so I can’t be deluded on the subject but I’m definitely biased about being supportive.

30 Dec 2020 09:53:09
I agree with that Ed, if I know anything about Tom then its that he is super positive. Its a very good trait to have imo, win or lose he controls his emotions very well. I don't personally think Tom is Lampard over Chelsea, I guess he wants time to be given but his pretty much done that with the previous manager's at Chelsea too. He always backs the manager until the club makes the change. That is a very hard and solid trait to have. I struggle to accept some of the decision Lampard makes when he has repeatedly played players out of position etc and we lose and he goes and does it again. I sometimes can't contain my frustrations

I've met fans that are biased and fans that would prefer Lampard in for the next 10 years even if it meant we go to the championship. If you ask them why they say "its because its Frank lampard" and if you can't see it then your plastic. I can say Tom isn't that at all.

30 Dec 2020 10:15:36
Thanks Shak.

People, fans or posters giving me pelters is fine.

As Ed mentioned I’m from a certain era.



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